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Okay, ladies and gents! I hate to dominate this wonderful tribal forum with economic woes and complaints, but is it me, or do I hear more and more of my fellow citizens complaining about defaulting on their student loans? I mean, yes, we have had recessions before, but we haven't had one in this country where educational loans are aggregately as high as $85 billion. Yikes!
Should a universal student-loan pay off be a part of the Obama administration's economic stimulus bill?
defaults on $85 billion - worth of "wealth" is more than just a "blip" on the economic map, wouldn't you say?
Should a universal student-loan pay off be a part of the Obama administration's economic stimulus bill?
defaults on $85 billion - worth of "wealth" is more than just a "blip" on the economic map, wouldn't you say?
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Re: Student Loans: The "Other" Economic Shoe to Fall?
Fri, February 13, 2009 - 11:42 PMI don't think there should be a bail out for student loans.
Many people don't go to college or universities, they work hard for a living at lower paying jobs, often needing to work 2 jobs to make ends meet. Those with degrees usually get the better jobs, it isn't quite fair to people at large if the educated people with degrees don't have to pay for their schooling, and also have the better jobs. -
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Re: Student Loans: The "Other" Economic Shoe to Fall?
Sun, February 15, 2009 - 11:57 PM
It isn't "fair," no. But it may be "practical." That is, the financial sector may get de-stabilized (again, or worse than already) if they have to eat all that default.
But what if the "bail-out" wasn't /cancelling/ the debt but just restructuring the debt, making it easier to afford?
Lots of folks launched into college thinking that the economy would allow them to repay their loans, and are now looking at $50K or more of debt, and an economy in the tank WITHOUT that high-paying job to handle the debt...
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Re: Student Loans: The "Other" Economic Shoe to Fall?
Mon, February 16, 2009 - 1:40 AMI thought making debt some how more affordable, is what actually created all the toxic loans. If the loans are easier to pay off, people generally go into more debt, more lines of credit etc.
In oz our university debt(HECS), is not required to be paid off until you actually start work and earn over a certain amount. The government actually pays the debt provider, later you pay them back. Many moons ago University in Australia was FREE. -
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Re: Student Loans: The "Other" Economic Shoe to Fall?
Thu, February 19, 2009 - 12:06 AM
> I thought making debt some how more affordable, is what actually created all the toxic loans.
> If the loans are easier to pay off, people generally go into more debt, more lines of credit etc.
Loaning vast sums to un-qualified people made for 'TOXIC" loans - specially when both borrower and lender were *relying* on the market to improve, and increase the value.
Taking *existing* loans, and making it easier for the borrower to NOT default, shouldn't increase the "toxicity" of the loan! Though it also shouldn't make it any easier for them to then go get OTHER loans!
> In oz our university debt(HECS), is not required to be paid off until you actually start work and earn over a certain amount.
Alas, here in the States the loans have to be paid beginning upon graduation -- good job or no. And in this economy, "no" is increasingly common... hence the increased risk of defaults on these loans, and the idea that doing something might be a good idea...
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Re: Student Loans: The "Other" Economic Shoe to Fall?
Mon, February 16, 2009 - 3:23 PMI am a person who was born poor, grew up poor and has had to take out student loans to go to school while I raise my son alone. Once I graduate, I will make about the same as I did when I was a retail manager but will owe an assload of student loans in a struggling job market. What's not fair is the cost of an education. People who take out loans are not the rich ones, mommy and daddy pay for them. It's those of us who have little means in the first place that live in constant debt even with a degree. My choice was this: poor with a shit job or poor with a job that doesn't make me want to go postal.
People like me, who persevered could use a break. This crash was not of my making... I just wanted a better life and am concerned that in today's economy, a degree won't even be enough. I say make the loans easier to pay back and/or provide grants for those struggling to pay back their loans.
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Re: Student Loans: The "Other" Economic Shoe to Fall?
Mon, February 23, 2009 - 4:20 AMThere are a whole lot of other economic shoes ready to fall. Insurance companies, credit card debt, student loans...and that's just the tip of the iceberg that the u.s.s. economy has hit.
Bailouts? I don't think so.
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Re: Student Loans: The "Other" Economic Shoe to Fall?
Mon, February 23, 2009 - 8:28 AMWil,
I certainly agree with you, but what do you think about the economy experiencing a sort of extended "resetting". Richard Florida alludes to that in his recent "Atlantic Monthly" article entitled, "How the Crash Will Reshape America". Here's the link to the article: www.theatlantic.com/doc/2009...geography
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Re: Student Loans: The "Other" Economic Shoe to Fall?
Mon, February 23, 2009 - 1:43 PMI think it is fubar. It could have been corrected a long time ago, but instead was inflated to world class bubble. The mother of all bubbles. Started with reagan, then the savings and loan bailout then this lopsided economic strangeness with china, bill clinton further deregulates a little under intense republican pressure, and then bush jr with his huge tax cuts tremendous increase in spending, much of it off the books even and the books are far cry from balancing. Bush's deruglation and all round bad governance has done it in entirely. Republicans take credit for the fall of communism ( which would have fallen anyway from its own total incompetence) but in reality, they have killed capitalism by forgetting that left/right and regulation/deregulation are like living systems, like birds who have to have two wings to fly. It was fundamentally a fundamentalist world view and this is no longer functional. No us vs them. Nuance and complication and real world ability to think and change mind. Obama very much gets this, but is inheriting a totally fubar system. He has same chance of reviving it as a child has of re inflating a popped baloon. But god must have sent him to help with this transition. He fits the new mold as well as bush exemplified the moronic characteristics of the old. Bush will enter human mythology as the new god of stupid. No drama obama and his lets think about it attitude will be new standard for human consciousness.
Completely new, reality based economic system will evolve fairly quickly making use of the web. That's what i think anyway.
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Re: Student Loans: The "Other" Economic Shoe to Fall?
Mon, February 23, 2009 - 2:05 PMIt's a long article, but I read most of it. I found page 6 the most interesting. I really like the idea of home ownership becoming less of a goal for Americans and renting being the most common form of paying for a residence. It's interesting what he says about the government promoting home ownership over the years and that is the only reason we hold it in such high regard.
I also think it's a great idea if the banks would rent to the previous owners at market prices (lower than their current mortgage rates) for a determined amount of time, say a couple of years, at which time the previous owners could have the option to buy back at the current market rate when banks foreclose on a home due to the owner's inability to pay their mortgage payments.
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