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Well, the folly has hit the fan, fellow citizens. For so long, many of us, here, have been bemoaning the state of our country--our fellow Americans--who had succumbed to greed and wanton consumer patterns propped up by a 'false' sense of financial security tied to over-valued homes. Many foolishly and irresponsibly used their homes as ATM's. This behavior has not only helped to further ruin the natural environment, but it has also lent itself to further socio-economic deterioration.
Now, as many of us here had forseen, commercial real estate has begun to feel the pinch, as well. It's funny because it was in this very tribe that a posting kindled my thinking about the over-abundance of retail square-footage in this country. It is simply too much. Now, with the economic downturn, more and more commercial spaces sit empty, even in ritzy, downtown neighborhoods. Is this a sign that the economy is simply returning to a state of "normalcy", or are we truly slipping dangerously into depression-lite?
What do you think?
Here's a link to the New York Times article by Charles V. Bagli that discusses how the economic woes are affecting commerical real estate:
www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05...05real.html
Now, as many of us here had forseen, commercial real estate has begun to feel the pinch, as well. It's funny because it was in this very tribe that a posting kindled my thinking about the over-abundance of retail square-footage in this country. It is simply too much. Now, with the economic downturn, more and more commercial spaces sit empty, even in ritzy, downtown neighborhoods. Is this a sign that the economy is simply returning to a state of "normalcy", or are we truly slipping dangerously into depression-lite?
What do you think?
Here's a link to the New York Times article by Charles V. Bagli that discusses how the economic woes are affecting commerical real estate:
www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05...05real.html
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Re: Days of Wanton Consumption are Ending...Next Stop: Commercial Real Estate
Mon, January 5, 2009 - 6:03 PMwell some say whats coming is even worse than depression-lite
when the swiss banks are screaming "help", I do get worried..
icelands and greeces economy have collapsed already..
but dont worry: the USA is one of the richest countries in the world.. it will hit it least, if you discount a few millionaires loosing some of their invested millions..
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Re: Days of Wanton Consumption are Ending...Next Stop: Commercial Real Estate
Mon, January 5, 2009 - 8:02 PMOrange,
Yes, I've read about the bad news regarding Iceland and Greece, and it saddens me. I'm not too optimistic about the U.S., however. For so long, we have been propping up our economy on credit, and that credit gave most Americans a false sense that incomes were rising, but the truth is that incomes have been stagnating in some industries and/or declining in others. Further, access to credit is drying up. After this is all over, our material standard of living will be tremendously debased. Those of us who live below our means might feel as though we're somehow exempt from the ripple effects, but we're more connected than we might think, so this will affect all of us. I suppose in times like these, those of us who are enlightened need to reaffirm what is important, i.e.: our worth, esteem and value as human beings, as opposed to 'things'. -
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Re: Days of Wanton Consumption are Ending...Next Stop: Commercial Real Estate
Mon, January 5, 2009 - 8:31 PMThe next bubbles to crash here are probably the credit card companies and commercial real estate. Let's all be ready for a really rough ride, folks! Probably much worse than the Great Depression! -
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Re: Days of Wanton Consumption are Ending...Next Stop: Commercial Real Estate
Mon, January 12, 2009 - 10:18 AMBring it on!!!!!!!!!
Sorry in advance to all of you who are suffering thru this crash...I can only imagine your stress and worry.
That said, I over the last couple of years, have structured my life so that the economy isn't a problem for me at all.
And I say "bring it on" simply because, and I think most of you will agree, that for the last 2 decades we have become nothing but a society of wanton consumption and consumerism; to the point where, IMHO, shopping became the #1 sport. We need to get back to the pleasure of waiting and saving instead of instant gratification. -
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Re: Days of Wanton Consumption are Ending...Next Stop: Commercial Real Estate
Mon, January 12, 2009 - 2:12 PMhm- I just heard that the Swiss banks have changed their regulations for private mortgaging, and will no longer accept the state pension plan as security for a loan.. yikes!
if Swiss pension plans are considered an insecure commodity.. what is secure??
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Re: Days of Wanton Consumption are Ending...Next Stop: Commercial Real Estate
Mon, January 12, 2009 - 4:49 PMWill, you're so right about that. In fact, one of my mother's neighbor's who had taken out lines of credit (yes 'lines', as in, more than one) against the value of her home, found herself in dire straights when two of the banks informed her that her credit lines would be reduced (in one instance by about 35 percent! Yikes) and her interest rates increased, and the remaining balances due. So, basically, she would have to be paying on a balance with a hightened interest on a line of credit that is no longer there. Her and her husband's financial woes have exacerbated so horribly that it is threatening the sanity of their marriage. As a matter of fact, my mom called yesterday and told me that the husband had walked out after a big argument over a bill, and he hasn't returned. It's been a day already. My heart aches for her and people in her situation, but I still don't understand why a person would take out more than one line of credit against his or her home? I just don't understand this need to use one's home for every-day, living expenses. -
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Re: Days of Wanton Consumption are Ending...Next Stop: Commercial Real Estate
Wed, January 14, 2009 - 12:06 AMIt looks like the days of everyone owning their own house have ended. Can you imagine if we all had to go back to the multi-generational household model? Or to communal households? I can't think of a better thing to happen to our society - having to learn to share and get along with others.
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Re: Days of Wanton Consumption are Ending...Next Stop: Commercial Real Estate
Thu, February 12, 2009 - 2:17 AMWe have superannuation in Australia, which ties self retirees income directly to the share market, quite a few baby boomers are really hurting. In turn it affects business as the baby boomers were spending up big time till the crash. Makes me wonder who cashed in there shares first though, someone made alot of money.
Really notice it in the mining industry here, when the boom was really at its' peak production and productivity was doubled, compiared to 10 years ago. Now probably go back to what it was 10 years ago. 12 months ago a nickle mine in south west Australia, predicted 10 more years of peak production it closed its doors two weeks ago. The banks are too scared to actually lend money to viable mines, to tied them over.
Man housing over here just shot through the roof over the last 6 years, so many friends with housing loans, with houses that are now worth less than the money they owe. Whats worse is people work more play less, eventually something snaps.
A good site www.thestoreyofstuff.com has a 20 minute flick on consumerism and how we've been primed into this type culture. Highly recommend watching it. Real eye opener. -
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Re: Days of Wanton Consumption are Ending...Next Stop: Commercial Real Estate
Fri, February 13, 2009 - 11:08 PMCheck out www.worklessparty.org as well.
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