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So in a time of drought, is it better to save the water and use paper plates? Or spare the landfill by using a plate that gets washed?
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Re: Spare the landfill? or Spare the Reservoir?
Sat, July 26, 2008 - 1:46 PMOnly eating every other day helps too.
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Re: Spare the landfill? or Spare the Reservoir?
Sat, July 26, 2008 - 4:18 PMGood question...if the paper plate isn't coated and if the dought was really severe I would probably go with the paper plate that goes in the landfield. Or...can you recycle used paper plates? -
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Re: Spare the landfill? or Spare the Reservoir?
Sat, July 26, 2008 - 9:41 PMMany reserves are under 60 and some under 40% of normal levels. It's getting pretty scarey. What's more scarey is how many people are completely oblivious to it. Some people need to watch the news once in a while. I havent for a couple days though so I have no idea what's up with that hurricane. -
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Re: Spare the landfill? or Spare the Reservoir?
Mon, July 28, 2008 - 10:52 PMPaper plates can be composted... No need for water or for filling the landfil...
But as for water problems, I think we as a society need to re-evaluate our "combat against nature" in our long term planning for human living. Currently we think that we can live or farm anywhere and just pipe in what water we need. I think it is time we truly consider the limits of our environments. We need to be locally sustainable, and that means food, water, energy, resources, all should be obtained or created locally (and the waste must also be a local problem, not one that can be shipped away to a landfill in another locale)... We can't keep taking it from other areas, distroying wildlife areas, creating wastelands through water rechanelling and cash crop growing, poluting the water we haven't laid claim to...
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Re: Spare the landfill? or Spare the Reservoir?
Wed, July 30, 2008 - 1:01 PMOne would have to consider how much water goes into the production of one paper plate... I can't imagine they use less water producing paper plates than it takes to wash a plate. And should we also consider the water used to grow the resource plant/tree or the water used to recycle the paper to make the plates?
I think in the long run, paper plates use more water, but that is just a guess. -
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Re: Spare the landfill? or Spare the Reservoir?
Wed, July 30, 2008 - 11:14 PMI would say use the plate. If you can wipe it off with the napkin you were using for the meal and reuse it for the next meal, all the better. -
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Re: Spare the landfill? or Spare the Reservoir?
Thu, July 31, 2008 - 6:35 AMIf youre eating soup you could just put the pan on a pot holder on the table and eat out of the pan and not have to use a bowl. : ) If youre making a sandwich just make it on the counter and pic it up and eat it. Who needs a plate? What are other things we could eat without using dishes? Fruits and vegetables. -
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Re: Spare the landfill? or Spare the Reservoir?
Fri, August 1, 2008 - 2:50 PMChinet plates are all compostable, including the printed ones, BTW. So if you have a choice, as we do at work, choose that. I bring them home to my composter, along with the used coffee pods/grounds & tea bags--my earthworms love it!
Sure, if you're alone/with family, why not forgo plates when you can? Or adopt the Ethiopian way of eating--on a communal plate of thin bread that is broken off & used as a utensil to pick up the food?
I've read somewhere that you use less water by running a full dishwasher than handwashing each item, too. You do need to sanitize your cookware after some foods.
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Fri, August 1, 2008 - 11:23 PMI LOVE Ethiopian food. When I was in high school we had neighbors that were from there and I loved it when they invited us for dinner. I used to go to a place on Haight Street and one in the Castro too. Very good restaurants. I havent been to the one in Berkeley though. The Blue something? I love injera, sabhe, sheroe, etc... Not sure of the spelling of these though. I havent had it in over 6 years. I forget what the appetizers are called. Those things that look like pop tarts but have veggies or meat in them? Samosa? I know that's Indian. Is it called the same thing?
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Re: Spare the landfill? or Spare the Reservoir?
Tue, August 5, 2008 - 1:23 AM>> So in a time of drought, is it better to save the water and use paper plates? Or spare the landfill by using a plate that gets washed? <<
It's not just the landfill to be concerned about when using paper plates. The trees are used up more quickly, too. I still say use a real plate during drought, wipe it off if it's not too dirty, or wash with very little water. Washing dishes in a dish pan is one way to save water rather than just letting the water run if you are hand washing them.
When I've lived in places where I've had to rough it, and have to carry any water I use, perhaps even boil it before using it (like when camping) I use as little in the way of plates or bowls as possible. Eat right out of the pan. Or make a sandwich without the use of a plate. Any clean(ish) surface will do. -
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 4:10 PMNow that is funny.
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 4:10 PMGood point about the trees in production. So not only do we need to save trees, but it would help to know how much water is used in the construction of the paper plates. -
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 7:37 PMYes, I have wondered that, too. I have no idea how paper is made really. Any kind of paper, paper plates, paper bags, etc. But it seems water would be involved. -
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Wed, August 6, 2008 - 1:43 PMPaper-making does use water, though I am not sure exactly how much. So does growing trees and recycling other paper. www.internationalpaper.com/our%...r.htm
In Europe, they have half-flush toilets, where you can choose to do a half flush or a full flush depending on the contents of the bowl. Some people reuse their dish and shower water to water their plants.
Seems like there are a lot of better ways to conserve water than moving to a disposable product that likely uses more water in production. -
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Re: Spare the landfill? or Spare the Reservoir?
Sun, August 17, 2008 - 1:19 PMAnd as the book "As the World Burns; 50 Things You Can Do to Stay in Denial" points out, the water we use washing dishes is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the water used by industry and huge farms.
It's a great little graphic novel, check it out!
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Tue, September 30, 2008 - 1:06 PMDon't forget the other chemicals involved in paper making, too. I'm fairly certain some kind of bleaching agent must be used to make those blinding white Chinet plates. Plus all the plastic packaging, and fuel used to get them to the stores, and to your house...I could go on...
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