Can you be big and green?

topic posted Mon, January 14, 2008 - 11:06 AM by  amy
Radio show asks if green companies such as Burt's Bees (bought by Clorox) can remain green.

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Can you be big and green? On the next Your Call we’ll discuss the future of organic companies that have been bought by bigger, conventional ones. Burt’s Bees was bought by Clorox, Colgate-Palmolive owns 84 percent of Tom’s of Maine and Wal-Mart is now the largest retailer of organic vegetables in the country. Can green grow and still mean anything? If you buy an organic juice made by Coke are you being responsible, or buying a lie? It’s Your Call with Rose Aguilar and you.

Guests:
Professor Dara O’Rourke
Associate Professor of Environmental and Labor Policy at UC Berkeley

Gary Hirschberg
President and CEO of Stonyfield Farms

Rinku Sen
Publisher of Colorlines, a national, multi-racial magazine devoted to the creativity and complexity of communities of color and winner of Utne Magazine’s Independent Press Award for General Excellence.
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amy
offline amy
SF Bay Area
  • Re: Can you be big and green?

    Mon, January 14, 2008 - 2:16 PM
    I don't know details about these companies, but I have an opinion. It would seem that it would depend on how much the big company stayed true to the guidelines that the smaller green company put in place.

    I think it's great that Walmart sells organic vegetables. Since I haven't been to a Walmart in years, I didn't know this. But any company that gets organic vegetables to the market sounds like a good thing. Many people do shop at Walmart. It'll be healthier for them. And the organic farmers should have more outlets to sell their products, not just the expensive health food stores. Of course, farmers' markets are great. But not everyone takes the extra step to go to them for their produce.
    • Re: Can you be big and green?

      Tue, January 29, 2008 - 1:17 PM
      I agree Christie. I do think that, in a way, it's a bit of a sell out, but at least organic goods are becoming more available.

      I'm originally from the south, and although people are becoming a bit more concious there, organic foods and goods are not as prominant as they are on the west coast. I despise Walmart, but I am so happy to know that the 'trend' has expanded and that things like this are becoming more and more readily available to comsumers.. and even the norm. I think it's a fantastic step in the right direction. If organic veggies were only available at the health food store, very few people in the overall population would go the extra mile to eat organic.
      • Re: Can you be big and green?

        Fri, February 8, 2008 - 9:33 AM
        I think it's important to look at the historical behavior of these companies. When a Multinational-giganti-Corp starts snapping up previously environmentally/socially conscious companies, I can't believe they are "going green". If these Goliath's haven't made a shift at core level from FEAR/greed/zero sum game mentality/endless expansion/predatory consolidation to LOVE/true triple bottom line, then the small green brands they acquire will fundamentally change and then go on a killing spree, targeting independent brands (sorry for the run-on sentence :-). So as much as possible, I'm still going to be buying local.
  • Re: Can you be big and green?

    Wed, January 16, 2008 - 9:08 PM
    I'm always kind of torn when a small, sustainable company sells to a big guy. Always feels like a sell out to me.
    I don't quite know how to feel about this..........
    I am very strongly against Wal-Mart.
    I am very against huge companies.
    But if they get good stuff to people who don't know better, isn't that better?
    Organic juice from Coke sounds like buying locally grown hydro from your coke dealer. Nice try, but who gets the profit?
    • Re: Can you be big and green?

      Wed, January 16, 2008 - 9:16 PM
      What if there were no such thing as profit? No such thing as money? What would drive humanity? Is it necessasry? Would anything get done?
      • Re: Can you be big and green?

        Wed, January 16, 2008 - 9:27 PM
        That sounds like a loverly world.............
        I am a huge fan of the barter system.
        Money is a made up thing, made up value.
        Everything important would get done without money!
        Energy "crisis"? Done.
        Poverty? Done.
        Hunger? Done.
        Inequality? Done.
        Politics? Done. (hahahahaha)
        Most of our problems are because of money, not in spite of it.
        • Re: Can you be big and green?

          Wed, January 16, 2008 - 9:29 PM
          I tend to agree Molly. I think it's an interesting question. I cross-posted it on the "Stupid but "Fun" Questions" tribe. I wonder if anyone will respond and what they might say.
  • Re: Can you be big and green?

    Fri, April 4, 2008 - 1:01 AM
    I prefer small green companies becoming big companies than big companies buying small green companies.

    Currently, traditional supermarket chains and drug stores...and other types of chain stores requires listing allowances or promotional allowances, which can amount to $50,000+ per SKU ("bar code"). Companies such as Coca-Cola and Pepsi pay schools, stadiums, supermarkets...etc. millions of dollars to keep out small companies. I know of schools getting as much as $25 million over 10 years. I should know, because I saw these contracts.

    The big companies pay to keep out small green companies; that is why small green companies get bought out becuase it is hard to grow in this type of environment. How else can the big companies keep on supplying the genetically modified foods and unhealthy artificial stuff.

    Also, big companies see green $$$$, that is why they buy up the small companies that steal shelf space from the larger companies.

    Currently, we are working on making small green companies bigger via our Green Stock Exchange and our Green Businsess Certified program, so consumers can more easily identify green companies on packaging.

    We are setting up North America's first social stock exchange connected to a green social network, called the Green Stock Exchange (GREENSX) at: greensx.com, which will be launched in the Summer of 2008 to begin trading. It will trade shares in social businesses. A social business is a business that makes a profit, but benefits society as well. We have a triple bottom line (economic + social + environmental).

    Since all the listed companies on the exchange are pre-screened, evaluated, and audited according to social and sustainable guidelines set by the exchange, it will make it much easier for green investors to find and support social businesses. The GREENSX provides opportunities for small green Issuers to access public equity capital efficiently, while providing early stage investors, angel investors, and venture capitalists with greater liquidity. This includes a eBAY.com trading system for carbon credits.

    It is still in the beta stage testing. Check it out at: greensx.com.

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