Documentary: Future of Food

topic posted Sun, July 5, 2009 - 7:01 PM by  niki
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www.hulu.com/watch/67878...ture-of-food


Heard a short segment of this on KPFK Radio here in SoCal and found the full length film [unfortunetly with a few commercials] on the Hulu site.

Discusses some very interesting facts and future projections pertaining to the agricultural industry and it's relationship to Big Business, including possibly aversity that worldwide consumer markets may face as corporations abuse patent rights and entitlement, in effect narrowing the purity and diversity of our diets. Some startling potential consequences are implied and, shock value aside, a worthy discussion to have here in this tribe, and in our real world tribes as well.
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niki
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  • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

    Mon, July 6, 2009 - 2:05 AM
    I've heard a lot about this and am watching it now, good ways through. It is a subject i know a good deal about as i have done a lot of market gardening and small farming for many years, but not so much now just a gardener.

    The video makes too strong a case, lots of exaggerations and part truths that go towards the point being made, which is quite unfortunate because i don't think it has to do that as it is for the the case is strong enough anyway. Kinda micheal mooresque in that. I guess is to be expected.

    I certainly think people will profit on many levels from a closer relationship to the growing of their food. I do not eat very much from supermarkets and have not for many years. It is difficult for me to understand why people eat that expensive over prepared crap in bright colored boxes. Just don't do that.

    I see a different future of agriculture developing. I would certainly make a very different documentary and one that would be a lot more informed....well i think so anyway.....and also a lot more hopeful.

    Thanks for the link! It is interesting, and i suppose certainly gives a more or less correct idea of the general outline of production of supermarket food type products.
    • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

      Mon, July 6, 2009 - 10:13 PM
      cheers wil.
      i know very very little about personal garndening and producing my own food sources - though as i gain more knowledge, am making efforts to move totally in this direction.

      that said, it is good to know that the volume of urgency the film calls forth [exaggerations and commentary to strengthen their case] is not the reality. whenever i take in documentaries like this, i am always on edge waiting for the tentative solutions to be offered. this film left me feeling that because i am just emerging into the scene of domestic farming, the ship sailed and big business already damaged what could be salvaged.

      as with most documentaries, moor.ish and otherwise, Future of Food intends to provokes the kind of serious discussion neccesary so that the average consumer will THINK about their consumer and dietary habits, and maybe even a call to action.

      cheers for watching and waxing with me.
      • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

        Mon, July 6, 2009 - 10:59 PM
        This is an excellent documentary. For those that have Netflix, they have it. Watch it asap. It's a stepping stone. I used to agree wholeheartedly with certain punk rockers that used to say things like "If anyone gives you criticism that starts off with 'you should' or 'you shouldnt', walk away immediately." - Paul Westerberg of the Replacements 1995. In this case, and many others, I must say, YOU SHOULD WATCH THIS DOCUMENTARY FILM!!! Paul would probably, uh, possibly agree. 15 years changes ...........................

        La la la

        www.amazon.com/Future-Foo.../ref=sr_1_2
      • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

        Tue, July 7, 2009 - 2:15 AM
        Do you know about biochar. I think it is much more the future, and with links to sustainable past. It's what i'm into now. Very hopeful. Very!

        www.youtube.com/watch
        • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

          Tue, July 7, 2009 - 7:14 PM
          I'm more into Collapsitarianism these days. lol
          • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

            Wed, July 8, 2009 - 4:00 AM
            Collapse and regeneration are two sides of same object. Can't occur without each other. Yin and Yang.
            • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

              Wed, July 8, 2009 - 6:05 AM
              I dont really know too much about Collapsitarianism actually. Just something I read recently that sounded catchy. I dont think I actually am Collapsitarian. If I was I wouldnt say or do alot of things that I do. Anyways, this is a great documentary. Anything else is besides that fact. I recommend everyone on the planet watch it. It should be required. : )
              • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                Wed, July 8, 2009 - 11:26 AM
                If a person does not have a good understanding of plant breeding and farming i think the video will leave them with some pretty good sized misunderstandings. I watched it again, closer this time, on strength of your reccomend Mr. M.

                I'm glad the subject got brought up, and thanks to nikki. I'm glad to have watched it, i've heard enougjh about it for sure.

                But hey! Monsanto totally sucks. Don't buy stuff that has their stuff!! I actually brought some cheapo canola oil the other day ( it is supposed to be grasshopper bait and they are a problem in my garden and i didn't see the wisdom in buying them organic canola oil to die in and all....) anyway, i grow a lot of food, eat wild food, save seed and support small seed companies.

                Getting off the corn fed diet is they key IMO, and this is key for more reasons than this!! All works together!! Anyway, the food chain based on these huge fields of corn and canola i kinda question from the getgo. I think the changes need to be deep and systemic, but these are good changes and will result in a better quality of life for everyone IMO. Eat local. Know your source. We need to upport healthy agriculture with our purchasing power!
                • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                  Wed, July 8, 2009 - 2:07 PM
                  The question is where does one start? I rent an apartment in a suburban area, and wouldn't even know where to begin to start a gardening plot. Also, how do I know that I'm really buying organic? Do I just trust the labels? Finally, I know there are pristine cutivatable land left on the planet, but is any food source really organic, considering that our air, water and soil are already so badly polluted?
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                    Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                    Wed, July 8, 2009 - 2:26 PM
                    You are right about the organic label, although it is a place to start i reckon. It should be a guideline at best, not a religion. The term is steadily being hijacked by agrobizness. Many or most very small producers do not do the huge amount of paperwork or pay the considerable fees to get the rating. Eating simpler, and when possible from sources closer to home is better for you and farmers and the environment. I would say that eating meat is the number one way to use gmo corn and soy, that is going to dwarf other uses. I suggest quinoa, which is complete protein and not tampered with. Are there CSA's available where you are? There are a number here.
                    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comm...griculture

                    Do you have a farmers market? If you go later in the day, there is not as much selection but you can make great deals with farmers wanting to go home. ( i sold at such markets for years so trust me on that) i gave many bushels of good food away rather than take it back and throw it on the compost heap.

                    Don't eat so much processed food is a good idea for very good nutritional, economic and ecological reasons. I see it as all working together. I'd advise learning to use a stainless steel pressure cooker, and going back to primary foods like rice and beans and vegetables. These are not affected by gene technology, except soy beans that i know of. Crowder peas like black eyes are good food too, very good in my opinion. sweet potatoes, squash, stuff like that.

                    Lots and lots of dietary options that have no gmo's and are supportive of better agricultural practices.

                    • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                      Mon, July 13, 2009 - 11:34 PM
                      Good tip about going later in the day to a farmer's market, wil. I have a new found conviction I am going to make the extra effort to shop at farmer's markets regularly, and also buy organic in regular markets whenever possible. Looking for the deals in local and organic food is important, too.

                      I just saw the movie 'Food, Inc.' tonight, and recommend this movie, also, now in the theaters, to people interested in what is happening with conventional food in our country today. It will open your eyes if you haven't paid attention to the issues surrounding farming and food producing lately. And if you have, I'm pretty sure you will learn a few thing you didn't already know. I did.
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                    Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                    Wed, July 8, 2009 - 6:09 PM
                    really great question! i asked the same thing a few years back when teh craze hit supermarkets...and suddenly there was a consdierable amount of "organic farms" that were able to supply en masse what the green fad was consuming.

                    roger, asking questions like this tells me you have a healthy skepticism! check these out to further your research and find an answer that youa re comfortable living with:

                    www.cornucopia.org/soysurvey/ [survey about notable soy products and the reality of their organic.ness]


                    this one is also a really great site to surf:
                    www.organicconsumers.org/

                    i'm currently subscribed to the OCA newsletter and there is a startling amount of interesting and personally relevant information there.

                    :)
                    • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                      Wed, July 8, 2009 - 6:14 PM
                      as per rpgers concern about moving forward when air, land, mindset is already polluted....the beautiful magic about nature is that it is a self.healing creature. so while there has been hellacious amounts of damage, beginning now in whatever small way we can will help support the healing and resiliency that has sutained our planet and biology for eons.

                      all the little 'be green' tricks that are easy to find now, like recycling water, composting, low impact electricity, supporting local products to lessen the effect and need of petrol, all of these add up. so yes, we SHOULD ;) feel empowered because it starts and ends with us! the total damage we've imposed on nature's rhythm did not happen in one large sweep but through each decision EACH of us have made for centuries. moving in the opposite direction will eventually move us completely forward. this is the hope i see for us.

                      end rant. <3
                      • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                        Wed, July 8, 2009 - 7:17 PM
                        Niki, no that's not a rant. That is actually a wonderful realization, i.e.: the earth does heal itself. That gives me tremendous hope. Thanks for that. You've made my night. Lol
                        • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                          Wed, July 8, 2009 - 7:36 PM
                          Roger just the fact that you are on this tribe and aware and concerned and give a damn is more than alot of people will EVER commit to. If we can help each other discover ways to help make the world a better place then that's great. If it still all goes to shit despite our efforts at least our conscience knows we tried. Keep up the good fight and stay curious. I can be very fucking apathetic these days. But that only goes so far. Then I have to get up and keep moving forward right? So we keep asking questions and answering them when we can. If all we have is the here and now what will we do with it? The right thing? : ) Right now I'm drinking beer and about to get high. Some may think there are better ways to be more productive. But I've been productive all day. This is my comfort and pamper myself time. Then I can do it all over again tommorrow. Yaaaaaaay!!!

                          PS - Who else thinx ENIADs avatar pic it the total shiznit? : ) Awesome!
                          • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                            Wed, July 8, 2009 - 10:04 PM
                            " aware and concerned and give a damn..." word, mr m.

                            open dialogue is the foundation of change!! asking questions and seeking answers is the basis of science, is the basis of one's spirituality and the basis for learning and adapting in general. continuing to share information and ideas with others in an open forum like this helps raise the consciousness about agriculture as well as our entire human network.

                            we first begin with an internal dialogue, and then seek reference from other sources. word of mouth, right. oral tradition. tribe threads.

                            it makes sense to me.
                      • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                        Mon, July 13, 2009 - 11:44 PM
                        You have said it well, niki. Each buying decision, each dining decision we make helps move us towards a more wholesome eating and growing end. Vote with your buying power. Buy organic, buy locally as much as possible, buy at farmer's markets, support the small farmer. Each meal is a step in the right direction. If thousands of people choose in the organic direction, it will produce change. Farmers grow what is in demand.
                        • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                          Tue, July 14, 2009 - 6:09 AM
                          I cant believe at the store the other day a regular bag of chips was four dollars on sale. Then in the meat section I saw these HUGE pakages of steaks ( London Broil ) on sale for only nine dollars. I thought if the chips are 4 then this steak should be like 30. It was so surreal. lol
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                          • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                            Tue, July 14, 2009 - 6:46 AM
                            Excellent thread

                            Here is the link to the movie The Future of Food if you are not in the States, hulu only works there presently

                            International link:
                            www.informationliberation.com/

                            Back to steak.
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                            • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                              Wed, July 15, 2009 - 8:26 PM
                              thanks Iniad. I would love to hear about the international perspective on using buying power as votes for more sustainable and ethical products.
                              • Re: Documentary: Future of Food

                                Wed, July 15, 2009 - 9:28 PM
                                I think of spending as voting on a regular basis. As soon as I can figure out how to change my ISP to a different affordable one I'm ditching AT & T. They suck total fucking ASS!!! I despise them. And they support Bush / Cheney and Republicans and the New World Fascist Pigs!!!

                                DOWN WITH AT & T!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AT & T SUX TOTAL ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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