http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#eea52281-d67e-473b-9488-c7db41fd6bb8 I usually just throw them really hard into the garbage can so I know they will break into a million pieces. They make a cool sound too. Usually I just close my eyes and turn away. But it's so much more fun if you cover your mouth and nose and wear goggles so you can watch it all happen. And if youre on acid sometimes you can see ALL of it. Like the big bang. Totally trippy man. Like wow. : ) Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:01:58 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#eea52281-d67e-473b-9488-c7db41fd6bb8 Mr. M 2009-06-23T06:01:58Z http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#a741a2e3-7eac-4ebb-ba38-2d1dde4497c1 Thank you! I didn't know that. I feel better already! Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:58:08 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#a741a2e3-7eac-4ebb-ba38-2d1dde4497c1 Christie 2009-06-23T04:58:08Z http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#4bd413cf-e0b7-4b7b-8f39-3023326c255f Thank you meredith! Really makes sense that they'd do that. Looks like they've been doing it since this time last year. Cool. Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:00:04 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#4bd413cf-e0b7-4b7b-8f39-3023326c255f wil 2009-06-20T10:00:04Z http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#a9b48c8b-a2ba-418b-964d-b89d0294bce5 You can safely dispose of flourescent lights at any Home Depot in America, as well as batteries, and power tool batteries that have expired or died. they dispose of them through a Haz-MAt ceritified pickup company called 3-E. There is no charge for dropping them off. Just, FYI. ~smiles~ Queenly Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:00:56 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#a9b48c8b-a2ba-418b-964d-b89d0294bce5 Queenly 2009-06-20T05:00:56Z http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#55442aeb-218f-4284-87fd-edcfc6c3bb57 Thanks, wil. The article confirms there is no obvious place to bring the used ones in my county. Or at least this article isn't helping people to find it. Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:30:57 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#55442aeb-218f-4284-87fd-edcfc6c3bb57 Christie 2009-06-20T00:30:57Z http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#e4f460e3-7871-4077-96b3-e61aea962bee I think this is about recycling cfl's in your area, christie: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/assignment_7&id=6150758 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:17:00 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#e4f460e3-7871-4077-96b3-e61aea962bee wil 2009-06-16T11:17:00Z http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#7dce39f2-8ae4-41be-a0ff-cfaf41c7124e The newer ones i'm talking about are not compact flourescents, but the tube type, about half the diameter of the tubes we are used to. Fluorescent bulbs have always contained mercury, that's how they work, but it is a very small amount. I think the dangers have been overblown. There should definitely be established ways to recycle them safely, and i doubt this is available everywhere yet. Here is a site with some good info on the subject. http://www.p2pays.org/mercury/lights.asp It has a link to this site about low mercury, high efficient T8 tubes that i was talking about: http://www.brite-lite.com/Products/Alto.html Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:13:42 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#7dce39f2-8ae4-41be-a0ff-cfaf41c7124e wil 2009-06-16T11:13:42Z http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#44b11590-1aca-4cd0-9ec1-c2b22786c88a Okay, maybe I'll go back to the compact fluorescents. I saw some at the health food store today, maybe they are the new ones you are telling us about. They did look thinner. I'll have to research just where I can dispose of them properly, though. I have a bag of them I've been collecting for the past 4 years. Tue, 16 Jun 2009 04:53:04 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#44b11590-1aca-4cd0-9ec1-c2b22786c88a Christie 2009-06-16T04:53:04Z http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#de28c0a3-902b-4758-b7d4-ec7e348deb6b Plants love fluorescents of all type! They do not grow at all from incandescents. Light color is measured in kelvin or K. Bluer is lower number and redder is higher. Natural Sunlight is about 5600. Incandescent are about 3000. Candle light is about 1800, very red. Most bulbs have the K written on them. Flourescents are all over the scale. Plants grow like heck on blue end of the spectrum. The low K red simulates autumn ( northern hemisphere) and this is used for flowering some plants. Sunlight is of course quite low on the K spectrum at sunrise, and sunset too. Some people say that it is impossible to accurately measure fluorescents in K because they fluctuate. But i think the K rating is a good rule of thumb. When i start seedling vegetables in the spring i keep a standard 4ft fluorescent shop light with cool white bulbs less than an inch ( if possible) above their tiny heads. They love this and do not get the least leggy and i love that. The mercury in the bulbs is a small amount. Life consists of trade offs, not absolutes, in my opinion, and i think using fluorescents is better for the environment in total. The most efficient flourescents are the newer T-8 bulbs which are skinnier than the T-12 tubes that we are used to. New construction is being outfitted with these and they are easy to get at home depot etc. There are new new types that are better still. LED's are evolving rapidly and it seems like i read about new lighting breakthroughs of various nature often. Incandescents are so very inefficient that i think making new fixtures for them will be outlawed in the not too distant future. Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:31:15 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#de28c0a3-902b-4758-b7d4-ec7e348deb6b wil 2009-06-15T12:31:15Z http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#dc97da1d-2043-4044-8df4-3a1dfaeb07f8 I cannot contribute much to this thread except that I know that compact fluorescent bulbs are bulky and fragile to get disposed off and that they cannot be brought back to the local library like less cumbersome batteries are around here. I do remember that a friend purchased the natural spectrum fluorescent bulbs and that her kitchen was lit in what appeared fairly natural light. It cost more on purchase but it was supposed to provide most the natural health benefit (?). Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:09:12 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#dc97da1d-2043-4044-8df4-3a1dfaeb07f8 ENIAD 2009-06-13T17:09:12Z http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#897d4670-5455-4111-9714-6f9eb7fdbaa6 Hey, Christie: I do not want to go back to regular incandescents. I would feel strange doing it, for some reason. Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:41:28 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#897d4670-5455-4111-9714-6f9eb7fdbaa6 Roger 2009-06-11T23:41:28Z http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#1c5f785d-7593-47d8-9c8e-80bf7a2ac80c I think to good outweighs the bad on them. I think we are on our way to a better alternative like LED's. Here is a reality check on them from Snopes. http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cfl.asp Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:56:45 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#1c5f785d-7593-47d8-9c8e-80bf7a2ac80c wil 2009-06-10T20:56:45Z http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#b0beed05-f21b-4e29-b90b-81081927ea68 I've been aware of the problem with compact fluorescents for a while now. I haven't thrown any away and the burnt out ones are starting to accumulate in my house. People sometimes tell me places where you can drop them off, but I never see an obvious place to put them when I go to a hardware store or Ikea. As far as I know there isn't a place to get rid of them properly. So I've stopped buying them. We're back to old fashioned light bulbs at our house. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:14:53 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#b0beed05-f21b-4e29-b90b-81081927ea68 Christie 2009-06-10T06:14:53Z http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#d1b38481-8fcd-48c3-9e8f-23d2d87414ce I am sure that many of us in this tribe are quite aware of the negative aspects associated with compact fluorescent bulbs, such as its mercurial content . In my county of Miami-Dade, commissioners and sustainability officials are considering special drop-off locations for the disposal of C.F.L's along with an awareness campaign to help get out the word to the public on how to handle these bulbs, if they're broken or their structure has been compromised. So, do you think the benefits of installing C.F.L's in our homes and businesses outweigh the now added "special disposal" component? What are your thoughts on this? Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:29:04 GMT http://ethicalconsumerism.tribe.net/thread/cc2bfb20-a8d1-492c-ba5e-0e13f3db8320#d1b38481-8fcd-48c3-9e8f-23d2d87414ce Roger 2009-06-10T01:29:04Z