ethical investing

topic posted Tue, May 10, 2005 - 6:08 PM by  alex
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i'm so glad that this group has so many energetic posters! maybe some of you in the U.S. can help me out on a very different topic than most of the other threads...

so there's a part of me that is opposed to the inherent nature of the Stock Market (as a matter of scale, encouraging the empowerment of corporations as entities, and encouraging the dissociation of individual responsibility in the name of representing stockholder interests).

HOWEVER, things like 401(k)s and other IRA options are standard parts of compensation packages at the companies i've worked for, and i don't really see The System being bucked in my lifetime, so i find myself with money invested in this system.

the next-best compromise is to find funds to invest in which are committed to supporting companies whose ethics are in line with my own- preferrably Green, sustainable, respectful of GLBT; things like that.

any suggestions for investment houses that specialize in such funds, or ways that i can research those funds on my own?
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alex
SF Bay Area
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  • Re: ethical investing

    Tue, May 10, 2005 - 7:02 PM
    Check out the posts in the thread called " Socially responsible mutual funds" which I just dug up from our archives. There are lots of ideas there! Good luck.
    • Re: ethical investing

      Wed, May 11, 2005 - 9:14 AM
      sweet! thanks fire; i see that you bumped it to the top :)

      and thanks to everyone else too; i don't really expect to have the time/energy to manage my own diversification, so i will almost definitely be using a fund. part of the motivation also is to get away from BigAss CitibankSalomonSmithBarney. i'll be reading that other thread with interest :)
  • Re: ethical investing

    Tue, May 10, 2005 - 7:34 PM
    Firechyld has a good point. The socially responsible funds are a good way to go if you don't want to manage the investment yourself.

    On the other hand you do have the right to divest from an established plan and put it into a self managed IRA or Keough type plan.

    I have had people do this with the stock in our project, as have I.

    Either way though be sure to read closely where they are actually investing the funds. Some of them are a bit dubious in terms of how green or responsible they are.
  • Re: ethical investing

    Tue, May 10, 2005 - 8:59 PM
    alex you are wise to be cautious about what companies deserve your investment dollars.

    Not all companies are out to rape and pillage the global commons or screw people. Unfortunately many are, but some are legitimately trying to raise money by fulfilling demand in a positive way. A person would be hard pressed to find a company that fulfilled all of every consumer’s ethical standards. I would suggest that you decide exactly what your personal parameters of acceptable business practices are before you invest.

    If you become enrolled in a mutual fund, it is not likely that each company will live up to your standard. However, you should be able to access your portfolio at any time. Also every publicly held corporation publishes its financial information (usually on-line, if not they will furnish you with the info when asked. Public info includes annual reports, interim reports, balance sheets, and income statements. This should give you tell you what they are up to. You should also gain access to that company's portfolio.

    Beware though, mutual fund portfolios change rapidly, and it will take a lot to keep up with. You may be better off managing your own portfolio.

    If that is the road you decide to take, you must remember that mutual funds are used to reduce risk through massive diversification. You are not likely to achieve this risk reduction on your own. This is particularly important to consider relative to the nature of companies you are likely to be attracted to. It is not yet a widely held belief that ethics are profitable, and investor confidence has a significant impact on financial growth.

    When looking for an ideal company to invest in, I would start by looking at companies that you favor, companies that you like what they are doing, then research them. For instance, Ford has been touting their ambitions of becoming an industry leader by way of creating a more environmentally friendly product. You may want to check out their labor practices and overall ethical track record. I am in no way recommending Ford; it’s just an example.
    • Re: ethical investing

      Wed, May 11, 2005 - 9:18 AM
      yeah, it's a tangled mess that i'm looking at, i know. companies that are very socially responsible wrt their employees may be fighting rabidly for intellectual property rights.

      so many battles, so little time....
      • Re: ethical investing

        Fri, May 13, 2005 - 10:40 AM
        Well yes, that is true. I may be biased but I firmly believe we have the right take on all of these issues and if we can do it others can too. At the risk of sounding too promotional.....

        I like to look at it from a purely personal standpoint, as if I were an outside person investing in our company.

        My favorite aspect on top of all the responsibility and integrity issues, is the fact that our efforts involve real improvement in environmental quality and can be of benefit to any part of the world or any culture.

        At the same time it involves a very high percentage of tangible and appreciable assets while being readily viewable to the investor.

        In normal language, real material, real impact on problems instead of just not making them worse, and you can touch, see, hear, taste and smell it firsthand and see how it is going and even help it along if you so choose.

        It is a great recipe for a safe yet profitable investment that does a great deal of good in the world.

        That is why I and several of our supporters have our lifetime savings and retirement accounts invested in BHFI stock.
        • Re: ethical investing

          Fri, May 13, 2005 - 7:01 PM
          OK, Crusader, you've got my attention, but i'm a little fuzzy on the "we" you are referring to... am i forgetting a post where you explained who you work for?

          i mean, i felt like a total dork after realizing that i had obviously seen and posted in the 'social responsible mutual funds' thread a couple of months before posting a request for the same info. but i double checked this thread and don't see a message in which you explain what your company is... tell us so we can invest all our money in your company!!!

          ;-)
          • Re: ethical investing

            Sat, May 14, 2005 - 10:55 AM
            Well, thanks. If you like what you see and read about it then you are quite welcome to invest as much as you like.

            First and foremost I should let you know the basic legal parameters. Our stock is registered with the federal SEC under a regulation D offering. Standard legal notice... :-)

            The project is the large environmentally oriented historic and fantasy based themed entertainment and sustainable lifestyle facility I keep talking about. It is why I work with so many of the things you see me posting about.

            The city level infrastructure that forms the foundation of the services of the facility stand to be a very viable model for sustainable village to city sized living throughout the world.

            The best way is to go to our website TheRealmsOfLegend.com and read through the FAQ pages under the about page.

            The contact email will reach me or one of my staff but all investment issues are forwarded to me for review.

            Oddly enough there are a lot of predatory investors on the net these days so we have to be just as careful as do people who are seeking to invest.

            Anyway, we have all the standard proper paperwork which we will send you if you are interested in further information and the project suits your tastes.
  • Re: ethical investing

    Thu, May 19, 2005 - 11:16 AM
    Hi Alex,

    I have some money in a fund called Domini. Here is their website www.domini.com/about-domini/index.htm

    I like the fact that they do all sorts of environmental and social screening of their companies. As of yet, I haven't heard anything sketchy about them (and hopefully won't ever!) so they may be worth your checking out.

    Good luck!
  • Re: ethical investing

    Wed, May 25, 2005 - 8:54 AM
    hello... not new to the tribe but hardly ever around... something made me check it out today though...

    There is a foundation called the Rudolf Steiner Foundation (based in SF with support offices in NYC) that does exactly this: socially responsible investing... and they work with you as to where YOU want your money to support... I have no money to invest right now, as I am a broke graduate student, but I learned of RSF through a visit from one of their representatives to my college... and instantly knew that when I DID have some money to invest, I would be calling them...

    Whether you are down with Steiner or not, I would suggest looking into RSF... the "anthroposophical" approach to anything really has as it's core a committment to the forwarding of humanity... something I can't be so sure of with, for instance, investing my money in Pfizer stock or something of the like.

    best wishes
    ~e

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